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From: "Makis T."
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Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:28:43 +0300
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Έλα nuclear,
Μετέφρασα επιτέλους το κείμενό σου - κοίταξέ το και πες μου αν είναι ok.
Συγνώμη για την καθυστέρηση αλλά αρχικά το είχα αναθέσει σε κάποιον άλλον, αλλά
ο εθελοντισμός του μάλλον εξαντλήθηκε μόλις είδε το "δύσκολο" θέμα που
διαπραγματευόταν. Έπειτα ήταν λίγο το Πάσχα που έφερε πίσω όλες τις υποχρεώσεις
μου και τώρα επιτέλους βρήκα τον χρόνο και το τελείωσα...
Τα λέμε,
Makis T
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Παρακαλώ κάνε τις αλλαγές που θέλεις και στειλτο μου στα ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ.
Αν σέβεσαι τον κόπο μου δεν θα χρειαστεί να αναλύσω και τα άλλα μου
επιχειρήματα ;)
Και επειδή αρχικά όταν έκανα την προσφορά νόμιζα οτι ήσουν μόνο στο όνομα
Έλληνας - απο δω και στο εξής βασίζομαι πάνω σου για την παράδοση των άρθρων
σου στα Ελληνικά, τα οποία φυσικά θα είναι κλάσης ανώτερα.
See'ya,
Makis T
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MAKIS - http://makis.info
A new world is born...in sound
-----Original Message-----
From: John Tsiombikas [mailto:nuclear@siggraph.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:14 PM
To: Makis T.
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On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 09:30:51PM +0300, Makis T. wrote:
> Συγνώμη για την καθυστέρηση αλλά αρχικά το είχα αναθέσει σε κάποιον
> άλλον, αλλά ο εθελοντισμός του μάλλον εξαντλήθηκε μόλις είδε το
> "δύσκολο" θέμα που διαπραγματευόταν. Έπειτα ήταν λίγο το Πάσχα που
> έφερε πίσω όλες τις υποχρεώσεις μου και τώρα επιτέλους βρήκα τον χρόνο
> και το τελείωσα...
den peirazei i kathisterisi.
> Μετέφρασα επιτέλους το κείμενό σου - κοίταξέ το και πες μου αν είναι ok.
Dystixos i metafrasi den einai idietera kali. Den prolaveno na to
koitakso eksonyxistika tora, tha do an sozete me memonomenes
tropopoiiseis kai an nai tha sto steilo diorthomeno mesa sti vdomada.
Allios tha sou proteina na to baleis sta agglika, de nomizo na yparxei
kanenas programmatistis pou na min kserei agglika.
--
John Tsiombikas (Nuclear / the Lab)
nuclear@siggraph.org
http://thelab.demoscene.gr/nuclear/
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Μάλλον παραγνωριστήκαμε...
Πρέπει να πω οτι απο τότε που σε γνώρισα έχει πέσει κατα πολύ η εικόνα μου για
σένα και γι'αυτό αποκλειστικά φταίει η συμπεριφορά σου. Εγώ δεν είμαι
προκατελλειμένος, αλλά δεν είμαι και χαζός.
Μπορεί να είσαι πολύ καλός προγραμματιστής αλλά αν διατηρείς την ίδια στάση που
διατηρείς με μένα αμφιβάλλω αν θα βρεις ποτέ άτομα που να ενδιαφέρονται για τις
γνώσεις σου.
Κάνε ότι καταλαβαίνεις λοιπόν - δεν μπορώ εγώ να σε μάθω κοινωνική αγωγή ή να
σου πω ποιόν έχεις "απέναντί σου" για να με σεβαστείς.
See'ya,
Makis T
======================
MAKIS - http://makis.info
A new world is born...in sound
-----Original Message-----
From: John Tsiombikas [mailto:nuclear@siggraph.org]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:21 PM
To: Makis T.
Subject: Re: GameMakers.gr: Proposal
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 07:57:24AM +0300, Makis T. wrote:
> Παρακαλώ κάνε τις αλλαγές που θέλεις και στειλτο μου στα ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ.
> Αν σέβεσαι τον κόπο μου δεν θα χρειαστεί να αναλύσω και τα άλλα μου επιχειρήματα ;)
Kapoia stoixeia:
1) Nomizo pos o kopos o dikos mou pano sto sygekrimeno arthro ksepernaei
ton diko sou kata poly.
2) I metafrasi tha prepei na einai akrivis, kai XRISIMI se opoion tin
diabasei.
3) Den exo xrono.
an syndiasoume ayta ta 3 stoixeia kataligoume sto symperasma pou
proanefera:
Molis bro ton aparaitito xrono mesa sti vdomada tha katso na to diabaso
eksonyxistika kai na do an kai pou mporo na kano diorthoseis xoris na to
ksanagrapso eksarxis sta ellinika.
> Και επειδή αρχικά όταν έκανα την προσφορά νόμιζα οτι ήσουν μόνο στο
> όνομα Έλληνας - απο δω και στο εξής βασίζομαι πάνω σου για την
> παράδοση των άρθρων σου στα Ελληνικά, τα οποία φυσικά θα είναι κλάσης
> ανώτερα.
De mou les, prospatheis epitides na me eknevriseis tora i sou bgainei
aythormita? Esy tha mou peis se ti glossa na grafo ta arthra mou?
Se periptosi pou apla den sou perase apo to myalo oti den to egrapsa
tyxaia sta agglika oriste oi logoi:
1) Oi ellines programmatistes (pou aksizoun na legonte etsi), kai akoma
perisotero oi ellines programmatistes pou asxolounte me grafika einai
elaxistoi. An grapso to arthro mou sta ellinika tha mporoun na to
diabasoun mono aytoi oi elaxistoi, kai i diethnis koinotita den tha
mporei na epofelithei apo ayto.
[erotisi: Nai, alla ti tha apoginoun oi kaimenoi ellines programmatistes
grafikon?!?!?!!!!!111oneoneone]
2) oi ellines programmatistes kseroun agglika! *gasp* Opote ta arthra
pou grafo mporoun telika na ta diabasoun OLOI an ta grapso sta agglika.
3) Oi orologies einai agglikes, pou simainei oti an grapso to antistoixo
keimeno sta "ellinika" telika mono ta syndetika rimata kai arthra tha
einai sta ellinika kai ola ta simantika kommatia tha einai agglikes
lekseis. Opote pali den kerdizoume polla.
Opote me sygxoreis, tha synexiso na grafo ta arthra mou sta agglika. Kai
opos exo ksanapei, den nomizo oti yparxei kanenas logos na metafrastoun
sta ellinika (ektos isos apo to na mporesei na ta diabasei o pateras mou
pou tha xairotan alla kai pali de tha katalabene tipota).
Opote PROFANOS de tha katso na kano ton kopo na to metafraso ego. Alla
epidi den eixa kanena logo na sou apagoreyso na to metafraseis den to
ekana, kai oxi mono den sto apagoreysa, alla anti na sou po "i metafrasi
sou einai aparadekti, dosto se kapoion programmatisti pou na kserei ti
skata perigrafo na to metafrasei" sou eipa oti tha afieroso oso xrono
diatheto na do an mporo na to diorthoso ego.
Gia na deis poso kalos eimai :) Opote please... spare me.
--
John Tsiombikas (Nuclear / the Lab)
nuclear@siggraph.org
http://thelab.demoscene.gr/nuclear/
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"...An thes na me enimeroseis ego edo eimai kai akouo :)"
Μην δίνεις υποσχέσεις που δεν μπορείς να κρατήσεις - εδώ δεν ακούς τί λες...
"...O sevasmos kerdizete, prosopika den exo kanena provlima apenanti sou,
alla me ayta pou les den boithas :) "
Προφανώς δεν θα συνεννοηθούμε. Δεν μπορώ να καθυστερώ με τυπάκια σαν εσένα. ( ο
νοών νοείτω)
Γύρνα στην παρέα που σε κάνει πλάτες και άσε εμάς, που προσπαθούμε πραγματικά
να βοηθήσουμε όσους θέλουν να ασχοληθούν με το game development, ήσυχους.
See'ya,
Makis T
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MAKIS - http://makis.info
A new world is born...in sound
-----Original Message-----
From: John Tsiombikas [mailto:nuclear@siggraph.org]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:46 PM
To: Makis T.
Subject: Re: GameMakers.gr: Proposal
On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 01:12:57PM +0300, Makis T. wrote:
>
> Μάλλον παραγνωριστήκαμε...
>
> Πρέπει να πω οτι απο τότε που σε γνώρισα έχει πέσει κατα πολύ η εικόνα
> μου για σένα και γι'αυτό αποκλειστικά φταίει η συμπεριφορά σου. Εγώ
> δεν είμαι προκατελλειμένος, αλλά δεν είμαι και χαζός.
>
> Μπορεί να είσαι πολύ καλός προγραμματιστής αλλά αν διατηρείς την ίδια
> στάση που διατηρείς με μένα αμφιβάλλω αν θα βρεις ποτέ άτομα που να
> ενδιαφέρονται για τις γνώσεις σου.
A rather childish comment don't you think? :)
De nomizo oti einai kati gia to opoio mporeis na fereis gnomi. Den
prospatho na se metapeiso, Mporeis na ektimas kai na sevese opoion
theleis, alla sigoura den mporeis na bgazeis symperasmata gia tin apopsi
ton allon pano sto thema :)
>
> Κάνε ότι καταλαβαίνεις λοιπόν - δεν μπορώ εγώ να σε μάθω κοινωνική
> αγωγή ή να σου πω ποιόν έχεις "απέναντί σου" για να με σεβαστείς.
O sevasmos kerdizete, prosopika den exo kanena provlima apenanti sou,
alla me ayta pou les den boithas :)
Pantos den anaferthikes sygekrimena se ayta pou sou eipa, kai tha ithela
na matho ti akrivos den sou arese/diafonises. An thes na me enimeroseis
ego edo eimai kai akouo :)
--
John Tsiombikas (Nuclear / the Lab)
nuclear@siggraph.org
http://thelab.demoscene.gr/nuclear/